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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

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  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Band on the Run: I believe everyone who took Psych 101 is familiar with TA. Any casual reader of Psychology Today is also familiar. TA is a theory, a way of viewing psychological processes, not proven fact.

  Psychology is a very broad subject so in intro to psych 1 and 2 I was not taught TA. There is very little in science that is a proven fact and the scientific definition for theory is different to what most people commonly refer to as theory.

  I fail to see the great import of TA. Child indoctrination is catchy. Every generation indoctrinates their children in the fatih of the culture. We learn the rules of social life.

  TA is a very broad form of therapy that encompasses many aspects of psychology that has helped many from borderline personality disorder, depression, anxiety, and just to being a better person, a better parent. You admit TA to be well known but you also wrote that you fail to see the great importance so I will need you do elaborate more on your point.

  Growing up JW presents difficulty beyond TA terms. We are taught a counter to what we learn in school. The only legitimate authority is the WT and our JW parents.

  I do agree and I made this point before in my other post that TA to me is not everything but in regard to this top post of yours you are very wrong. Could you elaborate on how 'JW presents difficulty beyond TA terms' and what this means.

  Many here post about their experience as a born-in or their regret at raising their children in the faith. My experience was that education and age approriate activities were forbidden.

  And many continue to suffer from anxiety and depression, coping to the loss of family members that have shunned them, while others are trying to convince others to leave. Some don't adapt well into the real world along with seeking 'worldly' friends. I am one of these people and everything that you have written has no use to victims.
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Part 5

  I wrote that Child and Parent ego states are developed during ages 0 to 5~7, when they start to socialise with the rest of the world, during pre-school, it is now the Adult ego (which emerged during the first 10 months after birth) state that starts to develop and it is from this ego state that alters the Parent and Child ego states during the course of their lives, as it starts to slowly understand the world. It does not necessarily mean that all that occurred prior to the 7 year mark can change, some can be switch off, but others no

  The Adult ego state gets data from Parent and Child and alters the Parent and Child by understanding discrepancies in reality. For example the Child ego state of the emotion fear due to not wanting to touch the stove because there will be punishment from mum, but once the real motive is understood that the hot stove will cause 3rd degree burns, from mum or someone else explaining it (Adult to Adult transaction) and mum is just trying to protect, will override the old Child ego state (Fig. 4)

  Ok then what about cults? That will be discussed in part 6 along with discrepancies.

  Now that you understand how all 3 ego states are developed and watched the video on transactions (part 2) you have the tools on how to understand others, we can now start to address cults specifically. The video below may offend theists but it relates to jw's, think of the interactions that occur during witnessing/interacting with other jw's, and how they apply to this video. How we should deal with them will be explained in future.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eam-z1bwrk

  
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  FDS... GB Member Geoffrey Jackson's wife looks young

  by sherrie11 in

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  how old is this man?

  any one have more information on him?.

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  My cong had an elder that was also dating someone around 20~30 years difference, not that I really care but he looked and acted like Mr Burns and she, Asian. Well Asian’s are good at hidden their age so I might be wrong.

  It's funny and sad seeing a young sister jumping into the arms of a wrinkly old man that probably needs a lot more than Viagra, in her mind she is doing the best thing. As long as she is in submission and acts like one of those stereotypical house wife’s you see in the Brady Bunch it should be alright.
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Thanks nonjwspouse, I like his videos a lot.
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  Internet VS WTS

  by joe134cd in

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  ok here is another spin on the wt verses the internet argument, and this time i'm going to be pro-wt.

  i have read articles and seen graphs that show in countries that have high internet penetration, growth rates diminish.

  this is used to support the idea that the information age is killing the wt.

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  Allow more and more generations to die off and I predict that althought religion will still exist society in general will be a lot more secular. There is a natural tendency for history to repeat itself, but with the internet I see changes.
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  Accepting my own mortality, and the naturalness of death - the final step in my JW recovery.

  by fresh prince of ohio in

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  for people who have a paralyzing fear of dying, to where it seems like it's this horrible, stalking monster, jwism is a powerful sedative.. but really, the idea of living forever, in human form, is nonsense.

  living forever isn't about living forever, it's about not dying.. death is natural.

  it can be painful, sudden, or both.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6bc_Gsp7s
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  Accepting my own mortality, and the naturalness of death - the final step in my JW recovery.

  by fresh prince of ohio in

  1. jw
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  for people who have a paralyzing fear of dying, to where it seems like it's this horrible, stalking monster, jwism is a powerful sedative.. but really, the idea of living forever, in human form, is nonsense.

  living forever isn't about living forever, it's about not dying.. death is natural.

  it can be painful, sudden, or both.

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  If people didn't die, there wouldn't be room for new life.
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Part 4

  As explained in part 3 the child absorbs parental information and that becomes their Parent ego state, howeve emotions like being scared of mum's anger after asking many questions, crying after being punished for trying to touch the stove, or doing the thing dad does not like, and the good emotions that makes them happy, these bad and good emotions are part of the development of the Child ego state. (Figure 2)

  In adulthood when we do something we consider wrong or our fault, most of us feel guilty, stressed, concerned, we are in our Child ego state. The lesser the negative emotions during childhood (Nurturing Parent) the more positive/balanced mentality we have when confronted in these situations. Those who have a childhood with a lot of persistent don’ts, no's and punishments, constantly feeling 'I am not OK' (Controlling Parent), in adulthood this person tends to be more neurotic.

  JW's being that they want to do what they consider to be correct to their children usually are in the category of controlling parent. This is why fear, phobias and depression are predominating in adult jw's.

  There is a little more terminology that will not be covered, for the purposes to understand Controlling and Nurturing Parent ego states I include fig. 3, for any future references I will be using the more basic P-A-C (Fig. 2)

  As i explain more this will start to make more and more sense, I just don't have time to cover everything in one go.

  

  
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  Child indoctrination explained by transactional analysis

  by paranoia agent in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the purpose of psychology is to explain and help others to change, if suffering from depression or anxiety or we just want to understand the other or improve ourselves there are different types of psychological therapies to help us.

  we are aware that psychologists have the know-how, just has mechanics know cars and astronauts know space shuttles and psychics, but we know they know a lot but we know very little possibly because its too complicated, it doesn't make rational sense, we don't have enought time or just like my diploma in accounting if its not put to good use it will turn into a vague memory.. look at my previous thread in cognitive dissonance, it sounds alien to many, it sure sounds to those that i explained it to, that is because its not something we normally hear about so explaining it to others these words and their context also requires a connotation from the listener for cognitive dissonance to make any sense.. my very first assignment was on cognitive dissonance in a paper titled media illiteracy or cognitive dissonance which discussed statistical discrepancies between what people said regarding their preferred news media output -tv or newspapers- and the actual sales/view/quality figures of those two media outlets, in the usa during the 70's and 80's.

  it turns out that people lied about tv news medium being higher quality than newspapers because the quality is lower than newspapers (local news recorded in many states), the truth is that nobody wants to admit (during the questionnaires for this empirical data) that watching news on tv is easier and lazier than reading.

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  Band on the Run : I think that the title for this thread is most appropriate, I am explaining cult indoctrination from a TA perspective, however the title will change meaning, you see a child denotes that it has physical parents but as well the child could acquire an invisible parent as substitute.

  TA is all about understanding ego states, transactions, games, scripts and strokes but I am focused on cults so in that regard I need to explain what TA is before we delve into cults, but not everything about TA because some parts are irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

  TA isn't the only thing that appeals to me, anything that can help me understand myself and others helps, I am currently doing CBT and halfway through reading Working With Emotional Intelligence. But in the context of this thread, the topic, TA is my most favourite, you will find many aspects of TA in harmony with other psychological perspectives (psychoanalysis, cognitive, humanistic, behavioural, positive, etc.) and it was the easiest for me to understand and apply in real life. Now this is just my opinion, what works best for me and not for someone else.

  Let’s take for example Hassan on mind control in which he wrote that our approach to those in the cult are important, we do not want to turn on their cult mentality so our approach to them is important, he then goes on explaining the importance of rapport and timing, which I totally agree with. This is completely sound with TA, cult mentality is the Parent ego state, but the only difference is that we can understand why by imagining the transactions between person A and person B ego states, not only that but in real time, I have to make sure that our transactions are maintained between Adult to Adult, but as well cognitive dissonance can be applied to the ego states. Furthermore, knowing that we can relate to them and since we understand their past and present TA becomes a very powerful tool that can almost be used to predict what will occur during transactions.

  And just so we are clear, I am not implying that TA is everything just as Combatting Cult Mind Control is all I need to read and understand. No, not the way I see it, just as psychology does not have a paradigm like biology, chemistry and physics, but rather perspectives, so to me it is beneficial to understand many aspects of psychology and apply what I think is best for a situation.

  The purpose to understand indoctrination is that it is a component to TA such that we can understand them better, their personality and beliefs/values later in their adult life. It is not really on what we went through (we all have at least a basic understand of hardships of child indoctrination) but how it transcends into our adult life. People flying planes into buildings, avoiding blood transfucions, shunning family members, paying a cult 10% of their salary, it all starts when we are cognitivily dependent of someone, so just like psychoanalysis we need to start from the root.
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  GAH!! AGM!!! >:( (Or "Grumblecakes is Disgusted")

  by grumblecakes in

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  first of all, big "thank you's" to everyone who put up the goods after attending!

  why im disgusted.

  the new bible (no, it doesnt have a new name, for all who are asking) is a huge f**king monstrosity!

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  It is not the first bible to be simplified (CEB) but I am certain that their simplified version will be put to good use, after all if the GB can simply ignore key doctrine JW principles they will do whatever they like.